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zouzounaki) wrote2009-01-09 01:01 pm
zouzounaki) wrote2009-01-09 01:01 pm
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I love you, Sera Gamble
It certainly does! Still, those words of Castiel’s ring in my head, “Stop him, or we will,” along with Sam’s heartbreak over the angels’ disapproval of his powers. Can we hope that someday Sam will find at least personal redemption for his actions?
What Sam is doing isn't cut and dried. Basically, the way I look at it is to put myself in Sam's shoes. He can't do anything about the fact that he was dosed with demon blood when he was six months old, and it changed him forever. He's trying to make lemonade out of some seriously fucked up lemons. Which is what a hero would try to do. At this point, Sam's a pragmatist. He knows he can't change what he is. He's all about the results of his actions. So, yes: saving people.
Full interview here. She also talks a little bit about Ruby/Sam and her own concerns on the matter (and, no, she doesn't mention necrophilia! xP) Needless to say mild to moderates spoilers for the rest of the season.
It's interesting, and it makes me happy that the writers realize this and have it sorted personally, that fandom instantly embraced the angels word for word and almost collectively went, 'Well, if Castiel says Sam is doing bad things it must be true! Boo, Sam! Bad boy!' But he is doing good; he told Dean point blank that he's saving more possession victims than they ever did with conventional methods.
The idea of taking something bad inside of you and turning it to your own benefit is one, obviously, very near to my heart. I'm mentally ill and, while that doesn't quite compare to having demon blood in you that gives you super human powers, it's an awfully nifty source to draw from when I'm writing. I actually found it frustrating, beginning somewhere at the end of the last season, that Sam just plain refused to learn to use his powers when Lilith was running amok and it was possible for him to stop her. I didn't instantly think, "No, that'd be bad because it's bad!" I thought, "If you can use it to do good, it ain't bad anymore."
The angels have their own agenda and their using Dean in the same way that YED wanted to use Sam. Now, they're warriors of God, sow e assume that everything about their intentions, even if not their methods, are pure, but I don't. Certainly not after reading Kripke say that he was hugely inspired by Constantine.
Sera's one of the best influences on the show, she's certainly the best writer. I always have faith in Kripke and crew, but her focus and understanding just made my heart glow.
Peace, Ghani
What Sam is doing isn't cut and dried. Basically, the way I look at it is to put myself in Sam's shoes. He can't do anything about the fact that he was dosed with demon blood when he was six months old, and it changed him forever. He's trying to make lemonade out of some seriously fucked up lemons. Which is what a hero would try to do. At this point, Sam's a pragmatist. He knows he can't change what he is. He's all about the results of his actions. So, yes: saving people.
Full interview here. She also talks a little bit about Ruby/Sam and her own concerns on the matter (and, no, she doesn't mention necrophilia! xP) Needless to say mild to moderates spoilers for the rest of the season.
It's interesting, and it makes me happy that the writers realize this and have it sorted personally, that fandom instantly embraced the angels word for word and almost collectively went, 'Well, if Castiel says Sam is doing bad things it must be true! Boo, Sam! Bad boy!' But he is doing good; he told Dean point blank that he's saving more possession victims than they ever did with conventional methods.
The idea of taking something bad inside of you and turning it to your own benefit is one, obviously, very near to my heart. I'm mentally ill and, while that doesn't quite compare to having demon blood in you that gives you super human powers, it's an awfully nifty source to draw from when I'm writing. I actually found it frustrating, beginning somewhere at the end of the last season, that Sam just plain refused to learn to use his powers when Lilith was running amok and it was possible for him to stop her. I didn't instantly think, "No, that'd be bad because it's bad!" I thought, "If you can use it to do good, it ain't bad anymore."
The angels have their own agenda and their using Dean in the same way that YED wanted to use Sam. Now, they're warriors of God, sow e assume that everything about their intentions, even if not their methods, are pure, but I don't. Certainly not after reading Kripke say that he was hugely inspired by Constantine.
Sera's one of the best influences on the show, she's certainly the best writer. I always have faith in Kripke and crew, but her focus and understanding just made my heart glow.
Peace, Ghani
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I actually found it frustrating, beginning somewhere at the end of the last season, that Sam just plain refused to learn to use his powers when Lilith was running amok and it was possible for him to stop her.
I didn't think of this until you just said that, but I bet dollars to donuts that's the reason Sam jumped on those powers after Dean died. He realized his mistake. Dean being sent to hell changed his perspective hugely and he began to feel he should've listened to Ruby all along. Which is why it was so easy for him to fall into that role. He fought it still, because he was hearing Dean in his head saying, "SHE'S A DEMON, SAM!" But otherwise, he was a lot more open to the idea. That makes a ton more sense to me now, lol.
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And you're right, Sam is her baby, which is a good damn thing because she keep the character on track and pretty hardcore to boot!
I didn't think of this until you just said that, but I bet dollars to donuts that's the reason Sam jumped on those powers after Dean died. He realized his mistake. Dean being sent to hell changed his perspective hugely and he began to feel he should've listened to Ruby all along. Which is why it was so easy for him to fall into that role. He fought it still, because he was hearing Dean in his head saying, "SHE'S A DEMON, SAM!" But otherwise, he was a lot more open to the idea. That makes a ton more sense to me now, lol.
Absolutely. and, it's true, I identified with Ruby so much last season because I was sitting here watching and saying the same stuff to the screen, like, "Dammit, Sam! Stop being such a freaking pantywaist and just use your powers to stop her!" xD
Obviously, the loss of Dean was always gonna be a spiral out of control for Sam, whether it was his Travis Bickle phase as seen in Mystery Spot or his drunken decent as shown in I Know What You Did Last Summer. But that he'd start thinking, 'Damn, maybe I could have stopped this if I'd listened to Ruby,' I could definitely see Sam going there and kind of drowning himself in it until Ruby comes along and says, 'Look, it's too late for Dean, but it's not too late to get Lilith.'
This is why I freaking love this show!
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Jake was a soldier with the capacity to kill, and he understood the situation on a base level of dog-eat-dog, but he was obviously torn. YED scared him, the idea of serving a demon scared him, but he fell and hard. By the time they found him at the devil's gate, he was nowhere near the guy he was when that whole saga started. Not many people feel bad for him because of the way he betrayed Sam, and I get that. But you also have to look at it from his perspective. He didn't have the knowledge that Sam did of demons and hell. He was thrown into something he didn't understand in the least, and he just wanted to survive, period. While I'm not that kind of person, I'm a lot more like Sam and relate to how he handled things, I can still see Jake's side.
Said all that to say, I'm scared for Sam in the same way Dean is. We keep getting these peeks at him as a changed man who no longer is as kind as he used to be. You could chalk that up to just what he's been through in the past three or fours years catching up to him, but it's also very easy to equate it with the demon blood. That's why Dean keeps going, "something wrong with you? You're... different." Because he knows he can only use these powers with good intentions for so long.
I don't think Castiel and Uriel are right in the sense that Sam is hurting anyone. He's not... yet. It's that "yet" that makes me antsy and makes me worried that Castiel might be right. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Sam has a lot of control; he's noticeably stronger than Ava and Jake. But I just wonder how long that will last.
Then again, this from the Dean girl. ;) Plus, I know what it's like to watch someone go, "this is totally going to work out. Just you watch." And then it blows up in their face. I tried to tell them that I knew better, they shouldn't, but they didn't listen. And they had to face the music. I don't want Sammy to turn into someone he's not or get hurt or (God forbid) try to kill Dean!
I wonder if YED's death will affect him going evil (if he does). Exactly how much of that was Azazel controlling those kids? Hmm...
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See, I worry for Dean in a different way; I worry for him putting too much faith in the angels. Because I don't trust them, not even Castiel. I don't think Castiel'd get him killed or anything, but there's a bunch they're holding back and while it's most likely for the greater good in their perspective, that doesn't necessarily mean it's for the better for the world or the characters. I keep going back to Gabriel in Constantine and Hellblazer and how he thought he was doing the right thing too, how he thought he was saving humanity.
Anna stressed that angels don't feel, that they follow orders without question. She even challenges Dean's faith in them and couldn't answer his question: Why did they take Dean out of Hell?
It may be that Sam's doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, but I don't trust the angels' motivations as far as I could spit and I think some pretty serious shit is going to hit the fan as the season progresses concerning them. We're also going to find out, sooner or later, and most likely later, exactly what Azazel intended to do with them.
Right now, I see that Sam's intentions are still true; Eva was corrupted pretty quickly, and we were taken along for the ride with Jake's descent (which is heartbreaking to me; every time I watch it, I nearly cry out, 'Noooo! Don't listen to him!') There were others, too--Andy and Lily--to name two--who were still trying to work things out, who were disturbed by what they could do and I think, at least in Andy's case, would not have been corrupted had they had the support system that Sam does.
Oh, I definitely think Sam is going find himself in some trouble, but I don't necessarily see him in need of redemption at this point for using his powers because he's been handed a lousy lot in life, and what Azazel did to him seems permanent, so he's going to have to learn to turn it to good or you believe the character is just lost already.
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Castiel is obviously more torn than he wants to seem. Dude, Misha plays him so well. He's just wonderful in the way he's multi-layered but finds it hard to let Dean beneath the surface of what he'll allow him to see. But you can tell he wants to have a friend in Dean, but he doesn't know how to do that. He's wise and naive at the same time, and he fascinates me.
*stops fangirling for a sec* But I know exactly what you mean. Castiel shocked the hell out of me when he was so determined to kill Anna. I couldn't believe he was being that cold and unrelenting after what happened with the last seal we know of. It seemed like he was siding with Dean... Then he jumped out and went against his wishes. I don't pretend to understand that whole deal. On one hand, he acts like they've been ordered to serve Dean as a general, then they threaten to send him back to the pit. I'm hoping this will get explained.
This is where the conflict comes in because both boys are clinging to people they shouldn't. Both Ruby and the angels should be held at arms length, at best, and they are being way too accepting of both parties.
You know, I've seen people get wanky over the fact that angels do appear to feel, but I have my own thoughts there. Uriel, for instance, is the personification of God's wrath. And I think that is why he carries so much "anger". He was created to be destructive, so it's not like it's a lightswitch he can turn off. I really need to write my character study fic for him at some point. In Castiel's case, I think he's inching closer to falling every time he hangs out with Dean. That man has that affect on people. :p Something in the way Dean was with Anna affected him, too. You could see it on his face.
We just need more answers! LOL! Come on, second half of the season!
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I think you hit the nail right on the head there!
In Castiel's case, I think he's inching closer to falling every time he hangs out with Dean.
Oh, definitely! You can see it happening (and damn if Misha isn't an amazing actor for it!), you can see it in his expression, in the choices he's begun to make.
I thought it was really interesting that Anna mentioned the four who've seen God's face. I'm assuming than that they are the only four angels named in the Bible: Gabriel, Michael, Raphael and Uriel. Not Castiel. This serves two purposes: I can see, then, why Uriel has absolute faith, and also why Castiel would be faltering.
Damn, I love the production team so much for giving us such fodder for discussion! :-D Gah, less than a week now....
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And despite how the other fans are whining, I want Anna back. I loved how she was with Dean, the way they clicked. She told him so many things he just needed to hear, about forgiving himself and how he wasn't the only one who felt alone when he was given orders and tossed to the wolves by his father. I want to see their relationship grow in whatever direction it decides to.
Question: why does everyone slash Dean/Castiel but hardly anyone can get behind Dean/Anna? *sighs*
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Whooo hoo! Source (http://spoilertv-supernatural.blogspot.com/2009/01/julie-mcniven-interview.html)
I'm really curious to see how she'll return as a full angel and still looking like Anna (she obviously isn't going to possess someone like Castiel or Uriel, which I like because that's still kinda creepy to me and Kripke and Co. seem to know it!)
About halfway through Heaven and Hell, I got this huge, like Godzilla-sized bunny: Anna is Gabriel. And then she said that about the four and I sighed because canon ruined my fanfic idea, ha! xP But I still might write it as AU!
Question: why does everyone slash Dean/Castiel but hardly anyone can get behind Dean/Anna? *sighs*
She has a clit? Seriously, that seems to be a major fandom turnoff nowadays. If you could answer this question, I think everything would all of a sudden make sense to me, but I just don't get it either, sighs.
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I loved the interview, Sera Gamble is thoughtful, and I've certainly enjoyed her stories, and her perspective about Sam/Ruby is intriguing.
I cannot wait for next week.
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