Jean: A Legend In My Own Mind (![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
zouzounaki) wrote2009-06-28 12:27 pm
zouzounaki) wrote2009-06-28 12:27 pm
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A thank you and some fandom stuffs!
First off, thank you to all who offered words of comfort and support! I really wanted to answer each of you individually, especially because some of you are going through or have gone through things very similar or just as serious. But at a certain point, it becomes hard for me after the initial release to keep talking about it, so I'm copping out and giving you a general thank you. You know who you guys are and you're awesome! Hugs!
Next off, surprisingly never done this one even though I'm just full to brimming with controversial fandom opinions! Snatched from![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
writenagel1: Name a fandom, and I'll give you the scoop on at least three of my unpopular opinions related to that fandom.
Peace, Ghani
Next off, surprisingly never done this one even though I'm just full to brimming with controversial fandom opinions! Snatched from
writenagel1: Name a fandom, and I'll give you the scoop on at least three of my unpopular opinions related to that fandom.Peace, Ghani
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- Angels should just remain asexual. And that could be angel-sexual, because I don't mind Anna/Castiel, but angels are just so... above. Which makes Anna interesting and unique and I wish they'd stress that more. Oh, and Anna rocks, but you know that I think that already! ;-)
-I used to be a Dean girl, and then a Sam girl, but now I'm kind of in between, bordering on neither because Sam's motivations were so hard to understand this past season and dean was a bit too self-righteous in inappropriate places for my tastes. The balance got all screwed to hell. I just want them to be brothers again.
And, as a bonus:
- I'm pissed as hell about Ruby. Not that it happened 'cause, God, I wanted to do it myself by the end of the season, but the degradation of the character to that point, especially with the promise the 3rd season.
EDIT: Actually, I thought about it all night and probably my most unpopular opinion not involving the semi-regular female cast would be that this season kind of mishandled religion in general. I know Kripke said his biggest influence was the film Constantine, but his "God has left the building" quip was too glib and confusing and not at all comparable to the "kid with an ant farm" idea. I dunno, it's like they tackles religion without really considering the huge ramifications of doing so and so some of it seems weird, offensive or out of place.
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Can I ask more? Seriously, I can just do this until we run out of fandoms. :p Star Trek: The Next Generation!
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And yes, please! Keep asking away! You know my fandoms better than anyone else, LOL! Okay, let's see, TNG:
- I just never liked Troi/Worf. I guess it's not a hugely unpopular opinion, but I'd say at the time, fandom was kind of half and half on it. For me, Will and Deanna will always be imzadi and I wasn't crazy about Worf to begin with. I mean, i liked him in the way I liked all the cast but not especially.
- The humiliation Q visits upon the female members of the crew (like turning Beverly into a dog while she's chewing him out) always seemed a bit sexist to me and made me uncomfortable. But then again, I always thought of Q as more of an annoyance than as a hilarious addition to the semi-regular cast.
- I really liked Data's daughter Lal and didn't see the necessity of getting rid of her by the end of the episode. I thought it was sweet and that she'd make an interesting contrast to her "father." Though I'm happy that other one-off creations got to live, like Amanda Rogers (the female Q) and Thomas Riker (Will's duplicate)--they're two of my favorites! I still mourned Lal.
And a bonus:
-Data/Yar was freaking hot in Naked Now! And I was totally Ro Laren/Geordi after they danced, even though it made no sense at all! xD
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Oh, and I've seen at least one Q episode that I vaguely remember, and I remember it cracking me up back in the day, but mom HATED him. Couldn't stand it when Q showed up, lol! But I liked that he made Data genuinely laugh. I thought that was actually kind of sweet. :)
Okay, how about X-Men?
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Best. Line. EVER!
Oh, don't get me wrong, I thought Q was funny (most of the time), it was just his treatment of women and the way everyone else reacted, like it was so outrageously funny, that really bothered me. There's a great episode of DS:9, the first one where Q shows up, and because those characters are all so ornery, they don't take his B.S. for a minute, heh! That was pretty awesome! xD
Ooooooh! Now, you know I have to divide this in two:
Movie verse-
- I actually have a harder time reconciling the continuity between X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand than I do between the three X-Men movies and Wolverine, even though most of the former set were things implied from the first two movies, like Jean mutating or Kelly still being alive. Maybe I'm just pissed at having missed those payoffs but, seriously, I don't see Wolverine as having that big a gaping continuity error in it.
- I kinda 'ship Logan/Ororo. I can't help it! I don't love Halle Berry in it, but there is something there between the characters for me. What can I say? It just does it for me!
- Rogue/Bobby makes me wanna puke, quite frankly. Ann once referred to the "two people who wanted to see them together," and I snottily responded, "Yeah, and one was Bryan Singer." To which she concluded, "and the other was the actor who played Bobby--fair do's." I didn't like it in the comic when something was implied and it never, ever really jived with me on screen. Especially when he was messing around with Kitty and then was all like, "Now we can fool around? Awesome! I'm so done with Kitty!" Dick.
Comic verse-
- I... hate Emma's origins. It's just so... trendy, and the gay brother she was friends with... I mean, who is she, Madonna? I don't know what I imagined, if anything ever, but everything they came up with just seemed so... typical once I knew what route they were going.
- On the other hand, I love Wolverine: Origin. Dog is one of my favorite characters in X-Men canon, and the transformation of little James Howlett into Logan. Rose kinda bothers me but what can ya do?
- Jean needs to stay dead. She's outlived her usefulness to any and all who loved her; they need to just move on, and most of them have.
And a bonus:
- The answer to solving the problem of Rogue's redundancy and the rut her angst has dropped her character into is to just make her able to control her frickin' powers! Why no one else but me sees this, I'll never understand... Seriously, it's been like 30 years now! Enough!
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Rogue/Bobby makes me wanna puke, quite frankly.
I had a friend who shipped them like it was her job, and I never understood it. I tried to explain to her that as an old school fan, it feels wrong to me, because Rogue and Gambit were canon OTP. I was hopeful they would have Gambit show up in X2 and steal her away, and when they didn't, I was further saddened. Then The Last Stand? Yeah, I basically agree with you 100% there.
I also like that you separated comics canon from movie canon here. I'm soooooo the same way. :p
Hmmm... Ghost Rider! I don't think I've asked you that one before, lol!
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Sigh, oh Gambit, Gambit, Gambit! where were you, my first comic book love? Well, Singer just had an aversion to him (which was just as well considering that his justifications showed that he had no clue what the character really was in the first place) and Ratface Ratner was just, well, Ratner--we was in the original drafts of The Last Stand and they even held auditions. But seeing as Ratner laughed openly at fans who thought that the movie should be about
Rogue... No, I'm never letting that one go. Lauren Schuler-Donner kept trying though, and she got him in there eventually!
Bobby and Rogue had a small thing going on in the comics after Rogue learned about his past but it never interested any of the readers so the writers were smart enough to do away with it as quickly as was possible. Rogue needs her friggin' super strength and invulnerability! Which is why I'm writing X-Men 3 AU! And I'm still trying to maneuver Angel over to Genosha and work in a bit of the Archangel story because, yeah, it's that fan-wanky and I'm just that awesome! xP
Ooh, Ghost Rider! Well, I think my most controversial opinion would be:
- The movie rocks. I'm sorry, just everything about it is awesome, from cast to the fabulous way they blend so many storylines from all over the years.
- I don't get the Black Heart thing. And the other Fallen seem to be less than impressive, especially compared to the terrifyingly slick presence of
Peter FondaMephistopheles, who strikes just the right notes of smooth seduction and threat.- I kind of miss Roxie's carny background in the movie, even though i think movie Roxie is much more awesome than comics Roxie. I dunno, there's something about the tension they created by separating her from that scene that kinda works better than she ever did in the comic, where she was the two-dimensional love interest goody-goody.
As for the comic:
- I've only red a bit of the new run, but I wish they'd get a bit more into his personal life. Marvel is renowned for the fact that its titles are always more personal than most superhero comics are conventionally, and I think that's really missing, great background story and art aside. I want to know more about Johnny.
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I basically agree about the comics. They've expanded on the lore and mythology, but I don't feel like Johnny has gotten any good development since Ennis wrote him. Personal opinion there, hehe.
Lord of the Rings, because I am curious. :D
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Mehehehehe, we are titans of maturity! ;-)
I basically agree about the comics. They've expanded on the lore and mythology, but I don't feel like Johnny has gotten any good development since Ennis wrote him. Personal opinion there, hehe.
Exactly! And Ennis is so good (uh oh, Ennis love fest about to begin in five, four, three....) that he imbues Ghost Rider with a personality, Johnny's to be exact, because he spends little to no time (I can't remember if he changes to Johnny at all in Ennis' story) in human form and yet there's so much more, well, personality there!
Ooh, LotR! I think I'll have to divvy this up into two as well, because I used to be one of those pains in the ass book purists until I realized how obnoxious an unappealing they were, gave them the middle finger and jumped ship, heh!
Movies:
- I can't watch the theatrical versions. I own all three of the Extended Editions and the movies just don't seem like complete movies unless I'm watching those; the others feel... unfinished, truncated.
- I love Arwen. Unequivocally. From the books. And I was one of the few fans (that's putting it mildly!) who was fairly excited about the Helm's Deep stuff. And then they chickened out and I had a falling out with other Arwen fans who now consider me a basher because what they replaced it with basically crumbles the foundations of her character as being the constant, the steady and unwavering evening star guiding the way home. She buggers off the the Grey Havens. Well, that's just %$#&^ great! And I'm sorry, but it does look like she's pregnant and that's the only reason she returns, no matter what Jackson and Co. have to say about it! It also buggers up the pacing of TTT, trying to make up for all that lost material, and the movie never recovers, in my opinion. The council Elrond would have had in Lothlorien with Galadriel and Celeborn is some vague psychic vision now, Arwen's slouching off to the West with her tail between her legs and the "flashbacks" are confusing and mostly considered dreams because they never realized the idea of following Arwen and Aragorn's relationship from the beginning. *Takes deep breath* It's something I feel strongly about, can you tell? ;-)
- I'm not sympathetic to Smeagol at all. And Frodo's empathy at times borders on the psychotic. I understand what they were trying to do with it but I resent being told to like and understand the sociopathic little monster, that we're all just really like him. No, I'm not, thank you kindly. So the parts that are supposed to be touching... yeah, they just zoom past me.
There are more, but I'll spare you! ;-)
Books:
- No, Tolkien wasn't a feminist, but he wasn't a sexist either. He was a humanist, and his female characters, though few and far between, exhibit all the same traits, bad and good, that his male characters do, just without an emphasis on their existence. I venture to believe that if someone like Eowyn or Galadriel had been included in a book by a known feminist, they'd be praised for the characterization!
- The books are not exclusively the story of the Hobbits, nor is Aragorn clearly the hero. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between with a more balanced view of each part of the story. I refuse to take a side on it.
- Eowyn's story arc is complete and it's beautiful; Tolkien gives her both glory and peace of mind and her decision to become a healer instead of continuing as a warrior doesn't undermine the strength of her character because, well, she learns it from Faramir! and being a warrior really isn't the greatest thing a woman can become, despite what certain feminists will have you believe. she comes off first and foremost as a person who makes the best choices for herself, which is the best thing a woman can do!
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Oh man, did I get in some flame wars about that kind of thing. It wasn't an attempt to make the Hobbits sound more heroic than Aragorn or anything like that... There was this PSYCHO who believed that Boromir was the rightful king of Gondor, because she was desperately in love with the character. She would not relent on the subject, saying that he should've killed Frodo, taken the ring, and become king himself. And she was serious. I was stunned into silence by that, because I'm a Hobbit enthusiast myself, hehe. I can't imagine anyone wanting to kill a Hobbit. But that's the kind of fans this thing attracts, so I don't blame you for not wanting to get into it with anyone, lol!
Terminator Series. :D
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But, my God, I don't think even eowynshieldmaiden said anything quite as crazy as that! 0_0 Boromir's... Boromir's a psycho path! Worse in the books, it's true; so bad, in fact, that it took me a good long while to warm to him in the movies and then finally adore him! Just.... frightening!
Hm, Terminator! Dunno if any of my opinion are particularly unpopular...
- I have to watch the extended version of T2 because I needs me my Kyle/Sarah dream scene! Again, the movie doesn't feel complete without it because, well, it's a great hearkening to the first movie but it's also got so much emotional heart in that one, small cut scene!
- Though I'm glad Salvation exists (less so the third one), I still don't really see the need for more after the end of T2 offers so much hope for a changed future. I kind of like the ambiguity of, 'Well, we took care of that. Now let's see what happens.' unfortunately, just what they thought was going to happen happens, which I suppose some would tell me was inevitable to support Kyle's existence in the first movie but, still! I didn't see the Robot Wars as an inevitability after T2 and the release of the third one made me sad because of that.
- God, people pick on Edward Furlong, but I think Thomas Dekker was pretty insufferable in Sarah Connor Chronicles! By far the weeniest of the Johns!
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For the meme: Horatio Hornblower
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Oooh, Hornblower!
- Slash is just... no. I know I'm hugely in the minority here, and I'm speaking about authenticity as a fanfic author who wrote intentional camp and supernatural situations but... sodomy was just one of the worst crimes you could commit and, on a ship where everyone knew everyone else's business, impossible to get away with. Check out Melville's Billy Budd for a realistic view of homoeroticism in the Age of Sail--it doesn't end well.
- Archie's lifespan is... appropriate. I used to even feel he overstayed his welcome in the movies a bit, but I think now, in retrospect, he died at just the right moment, when his character couldn't really move forward and it most affected Horatio.
- Dreadnought Foster is not evil! He's just a bit... naughty. I mean, the military couldn't run without guys like him, and he is an awful lot of fun, hehehe... Ahem.
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- I ship Gwen/Lancelot. even before Gwen/Arthur. I just like the unabashed adoration he shows her; it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. In more than one place on my body, heh!
- Though there are better episodes in season one's run, I think the show's at its best when it has a steady villain, like Nimueh. And Michelle Ryan's a fantastic actress!
- I actually see nothing sexual about either Arthur and Merlin's relationship or Gwen and Morgana's. Which is possibly the least popular fandom opinion I have. But, there it is. I just don't personally see it. I'm much more interested in close friendships anyway; I think they're more complex ideas than just saying, 'Oh, they want each other!'
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Torchwood!
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- I'm a Jack and Gwen 'shipper. Not like I think that's the OTP or anything, but I just am. But more than that, I'm Jack/the entire universe, because I tend to think that people forget the omni part of omnisexual.
- I loved the story with Grey but the actor was a bit of a letdown for me, especially with Barrowman giving it his all. And what was with his almost nonexistent scars? When they say that you wouldn't believe what was done to him, I start to think they, like, ripped his arm off and raped with him and then he just shows up with this little thing out of the way of most of his major facial features. Still, story was awesome and no one can convince me otherwise!
- Never minded Owen. Never shipped him with Gwen, but all of that date rape hoo haw at the beginning of the series, I didn't really care. I don't mind promiscuous or even sleazy men and that gave him a distinct personality trait at least. I didn't see the need for him to get punished so severely by his storyline in the second season. And then killed.
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-...Yes. That's it exactly. I was hung up on the storyline and then when he actually showed up, all I could think was, "That's IT? Well bleah." Story was awesome, yes.
-Preaching to the choir here. Honestly, I cried when Owen died--both times, the brat! I'm a huge fan of the snarky doctor char. type (blame Bones McCoy for that one), and Burn Gorman just played it so well.